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Title: Religion.
Post by: Hermit Solmu on May 21, 2007, 08:33:24 pm
I'm going to start out by stating that God is not real.

Prove me wrong, friends.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 21, 2007, 08:36:40 pm
I was wondering when you were going to make this ^_^


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Level_9_Chao on May 21, 2007, 09:05:01 pm
I'm going to start out by stating that God is not real.

Prove me wrong, friends.

BECUZ THE WORLD IS SO MAGICAL AND OTHERWISE CARPENTER WOULDNT BE HEAR

But although I do agree with you, my serious and smart argument against it would be asking how things first started out. It's basically a fact that matter doesn't just pop out of nowhere.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Petroid on May 21, 2007, 09:24:26 pm
You think your the ****, saying God doesn't exist, "I beileve in science". You know what, I use to be like you but then I realized the big bang isn't nessilarly what most believe it is(it's a theory not **** fact:). What my science teacher said was that the big bang was a ball about the size of the sun, but a hell of a lot denser. Of course, she doesn't know this for sure but it's the "best" explanation of how the universe began. This is not what I nessicarly believe but I've i thought about it. I believe there was a big bang, something exploded alriight, but i don't think it was a dense star. I believe it was something alive, a god like thing. It wouldn't nessicarly be a sphere but a 4-d being none the less. Explaining why the are galaxies in the universe that are not evenly spread out. Now if your reading till this far and decided to reply already, WAIT. If you take a rubber band and cut it and mark 2 spots and strech it, it gets longer of course but when you let it go all the pressure goes back to the middle. Making the dense being again. Now i could be wrong or maybe a little delusional because i've been typing this for so long. Before i said i believed in this but i dont im cathlic and i like it because i always have someone to talk to.


lol i just reread this and i realized how wierd it is. But to lazy to delete it because it took be forever to type it.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 21, 2007, 09:31:27 pm
Well, for my argument, Isn't God depicted as a human; a really big human with magical powers?
In any case, God is still depicted as at least "looking" human.

My question is this: If God created Earth, who created the other planets? We all know God didn't create them for a couple reasons. One reason being that there is no life on other planets. Also, seeing as God is in a way human, he would have been too lazy to create the other planets because we all know humans are too lazy.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Hermit Solmu on May 22, 2007, 06:18:57 am
You think your the ****, saying God doesn't exist, "I beileve in science". You know what, I use to be like you but then I realized the big bang isn't nessilarly what most believe it is(it's a theory not FOOKING fact:). What my science teacher said was that the big bang was a ball about the size of the sun, but a hell of a lot denser. Of course, she doesn't know this for sure but it's the "best" explanation of how the universe began. This is not what I nessicarly believe but I've i thought about it. I believe there was a big bang, something exploded alriight, but i don't think it was a dense star. I believe it was something alive, a god like thing. It wouldn't nessicarly be a sphere but a 4mez-d being none the less. Explaining why the are galaxies in the universe that are not evenly spread out. Now if your reading till this far and decided to reply already, WAIT. If you take a rubber band and cut it and mark 2 spots and strech it, it gets longer of course but when you let it go all the pressure goes back to the middle. Making the dense being again. Now i could be wrong or maybe a little delusional because i've been typing this for so long. Before i said i believed in this but i dont im cathlic and i like it because i always have someone to talk to.


LOLZ i just reread this and i realized how wierd it is. But to lazy to delete it because it took be forever to type it.
Lol. You called ME arrogant for believing in the big bang theory (which I don't), then thoroughly explained to US your theory. Which very closely resembles the big bang. Yes, even the rubber band part.

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Well, for my argument, Isn't God depicted as a human; a really big human with magical powers?
In any case, God is still depicted as at least "looking" human.
Yeah, it says right in the Bible that God created us in his own image.

But I don't believe in the scientific explanation of the Earth. I do believe something long and hard to explain, however, which I will type out here after school.

AMIRITE

Ok, here's what I think. We all know that matter cannot be created or destroyed, and the same goes for energy. However, we have recently discovered that there may be a way to turn energy into matter. So, way back when nothing existed, there was nothing except a lot of energy. You may think that it was just black, but no. Nothing existed, meaning there was no void that the energy existed in. It shouldn't make sense, because it's incomprehensible. Anyway, all of this energy came together and made the three elements of life: matter, intelligence, and growth. These three things are what make up all of existence today.

S'yeah. I also believe a lot of other stuff about what's happening NOW, but that's what I think about the creation of the earth.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Petroid on May 22, 2007, 02:45:32 pm
ohh i never called you arrogant and "my theory" is just a bunch of made up ****. And yet it being increbibly rediclous, it's better than beliving in nothing buddy.

And if you do believe in something, you better either make it up fast or tell me that i'm right.
The truth is, for me at least is that i rather believe in something that might be wrong then believe in nothing.
But say god didn't exist(im not that he is real) but what if he didnt exist. What started it all, you say that something is wrong but then what is right, because no one knows the real truth. even you.

U've been had. Mahahahahahaha Bahahahahaah (cough) Mahahaahaha...ha

CARPENTER


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Mup on May 22, 2007, 04:14:21 pm
Now is when ASIAN says something really stupid about our religion like, "there really is magic beyond comprehension. so ASIAN, don't say anything. our religion is unbelievable anyway. .......but i kinda believe it.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Level_9_Chao on May 22, 2007, 04:18:25 pm
Now is when ASIAN says something really stupid about our religion like, "there really is magic beyond comprehension. so ASIAN, don't say anything. our religion is unbelievable anyway. .......but i kinda believe it.

B-b-b-b-but if it's beyond your comprehension, how can you try comprehend it, or even comprehend that you can't comprehend it?

If it's unbelievable, why believe it?


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Megamanda on May 23, 2007, 04:20:50 pm
I'm going to start out by stating that God is not real.

Prove me wrong, friends.

I believe that people just created God in order to comfort themselves. This way, there's always someone there to guide you, there Is good in the world, everything happens for a reason, and good things will happen to you if you're a good boy/girl. They also believe that humans are too important to just die and rot in the ground like all other organisms. Humans continue to spiritually live and go to Heaven, of coarse. Plus, I think the people who were hearing the "word of God" were schizophrenic.

When it comes to how the earth was created, this question is impossible to answer as of now. Although there are theories, no one really knows and I think we should just stop trying. Does it really even matter?


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Petroid on May 23, 2007, 05:17:31 pm
That's what I was trying to say at the end, i like soft cushion that god gave me. It's made from real god skin, and im not talking about that shitty semi-god crap, plus it's real.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 23, 2007, 09:31:01 pm
When it comes to how the earth was created, this question is impossible to answer as of now. Although there are theories, no one really knows and I think we should just stop trying. Does it really even matter?
No, it doesn't. People live their lives without knowing it, plus if we found out, and it was truly horrible, could we accept it?
No. Because we are a God-fearing people. Except for those who would rather sit on their couch eating potato chips. And atheists. I think they have it right.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Zro on May 23, 2007, 09:38:22 pm
The Explanation to Why God "Is" (http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm)


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 23, 2007, 09:42:14 pm
The explanation to what God SHOULD Be: http://whatyouseewhenyoudie.ytmnd.com/ (http://whatyouseewhenyoudie.ytmnd.com/)

I think it would rule if that's what God was. Sorry if I offended many religions.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Petroid on May 24, 2007, 07:37:15 pm
I like religion and pie


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Zro on May 24, 2007, 11:46:32 pm
(http://www.cramikskim.com/extraneous/jesuswtf.jpg)


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Mup on May 25, 2007, 07:16:08 am
I completely throw out all of my religion and agree wholeheartedly with Blaze about what you see when you die. I now believe you see that for all eternity.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Cmoke on June 25, 2007, 11:08:50 am
ok, i dont beileve in god or an over powering/magical being. because it honestly cant be proven, but then  agian im the kind of person that needs proof, so w/e. i think we all started as the eukariotes or w/e they r called. i also support everyones disision here, but that is what i beileve. ;)


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 26, 2007, 08:37:35 am
ok, i dont beileve in god or an over powering/magical being. because it honestly cant be proven, but then  agian im the kind of person that needs proof, so w/e. i think we all started as the eukariotes or w/e they r called. i also support everyones disision here, but that is what i beileve. ;)
I'm pretty much the same, I can support someone's religion without criticism, but it's just hard for me to believe one side from many religions. None of them make any sense if you bring them all together. I'm sure some things can be proven (I had a debate with someone after a swim meet... don't ask) but not EVERYTHING can be proven.
It would be cool if there was a God, or some Divine Beings, but I'm just as well off if there wasn't any.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: ArkofCovenant on June 26, 2007, 08:17:45 pm
Here is what I think...
I am wholeheartedly for science and I am a very scientific person and I began to doubt the bible because scientifically it didnt make sense. "the big bang" says this person, "creationism" says another. The bible says god created earth/the world and created adam and eve and such. I think you need to not take the bible so literally. it seems obvious that people havnt existed from the moment the earth was created because of lack of acheological evidence. there just arent fossils that old of any surviving people. or anything that points to human life. now... what if when they said god created earth/the world they really meant the universe, because at the time the bible was written, the people writing it could not grasp the concept of a "universe". they only could understand the worldthey live on. the stars were just little pinpricks of light to them, not humongous balls of fire that were lightyears away. I completely believe that the big bang is probably accurate... but how did this extremely dense ball of uh... universe get there? it is entirely possible and IMO probable that some sort of extra-dimensional being created it. where does stuff like that come from anyway? at some point it all had to be created. the amount of energy and mass in the universe if finite, although very large. it doesnt change at all. its all been there, always. if a being created THE UNIVERSE, the whole damn thing- why the hell cant he make the world flood... why cant he save some dude from a furnace... why cant he save someone from the belly of a whale.. why cant he make himself in human form and go around doing good and giving the people of the world a good role model to look up to.

You may say "how did all of this cool stuff, like an eyeball or something, come to exist? did it just develop?" My answer is yes, it did. have you heard of the chaos theory? if u change one infinitely small thing in the past, it can effect the future drastically. so if "god" created the universe from the very beggining, why could he not have created it with conditions that would lead to life developing from proteins in the ocean. HE created every single influencing factor (gravity, speed of light, chemical elements, dark matter, energy, mass) EXACTLY to his own specifications so that eventually, on some planet, somewhere, life WOULD develop EXACTLY as he planned it. It doesnt matter if it is 1 in a million billion trillion zillion chance that it would happen that way if events were, shall we say, "random", HE made them exactly that way so that the human eye, the world ecosystem, the whole universe would develop exactly as planned... no divine intervention required, no people "appearing" on earth magically. it is entirely possible that there is life on other planets... by HIS doing.

so, god created the whole universe exactly to the specifications that would lead to everything we know today... life, eyes, water, planets, the sun, gravity animals, plants, fish, cuba, leanardo da vinci, pizza, cupboards, texas, floor tiles, resistance: fall of man, forums, video games, guys, girls, drugs, guns, blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, smelly french people, world war 2, kingdom hearts, DDR, Flyff, tabasco sauce, PS3, Wii, 360, mac, PC, bill gates, beer, and-you guessed it- PIRATES AND NINJAS. EVERYTHING was created exactly to his specifications from the beggining. and if he had altered one single electron in one single atom in the big dense ball of universe, we might have just ninjas and no pirates or we might have Mac's that DONT SUCK, or we might have purple an turquoise people instead of just black, white, and somewhere in between....

anyway, thats what I think. :D


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Level_9_Chao on June 26, 2007, 08:44:46 pm
The Bible says the world is 6000 years old, btw.

I think that long paragraph is basically what I believe too. Just some generic god. Cuz if he loved us like in the Bible, he wouldn't kill everybody in the flood like in the Bible. That's right ASIAN. He loved us by killing all of us.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Megamanda on June 26, 2007, 10:15:33 pm
I personally find it very difficult to believe that some higher being in the middle of nowhere and nothingness suddenly created the universe and chose to create life upon our planet alone (do religious people think that god is watching over life on other planets as well?), then "answer the prayers" of all humans (which is a lot, obviously) and exclude all of earth's other lifeforms. Where was god when he/it created the universe, and why would this one single, powerful being (in the middle of nowhere) suddenly create the universe and all the complicated beings that walk this earth. Was god just floating around, got bored, and decided to create the universe? I want someone religous to explain. And if there's no explaination...

Another question for anyone religious, what do you/the Catholic church believe that god is? Is it like a human (since they refer to it as He), is it some spirit thingy?


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Level_9_Chao on June 27, 2007, 07:34:54 am
I'm just going to answer everything to be annoying. I don't necessarily believe all of my refutes, just that's what "they" say.

I personally find it very difficult to believe that some higher being in the middle of nowhere and nothingness suddenly created the universe and chose to create life upon our planet alone (do religious people think that god is watching over life on other planets as well?)
I don't think so, considering the Bible mentions only Earth (a formless wasteland, yet there was darkness and water before god even began making earth. Somehow.). In fact, I think that a universe isn;t even mentioned, just earth. I think. Could be wrong.

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then "answer the prayers" of all humans (which is a lot, obviously) and exclude all of earth's other lifeforms.
If you go by Bruce Almighty rules, he doesn't answer every prayer. If you go by generic CARPENTER rules, he is capable of answering them all because he's god and can do things really fast and perfect (omnipotency). Also most other animals (if any) lack conscious non-instinct skills such as comnplex speech and therefore also prayer.

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Where was god when he/it created the universe, and why would this one single, powerful being (in the middle of nowhere) suddenly create the universe and all the complicated beings that walk this earth. Was god just floating around, got bored, and decided to create the universe?
Basically. >_>

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Another question for anyone religious, what do you/the Catholic church believe that god is? Is it like a human (since they refer to it as He), is it some spirit thingy?

They kind of define him as an all powerful being that cannot be comprehended. Which makes no sense, because on the Bible he talked to people and stuff. Chez knows what the father, son, holy spirit thing means.



The main reason I believe in a generic god that isn't necessarily christian, is because I don't see how matter (and therefore all of our existence) can come into being without that aid. It doesn't just show up, that's even a scientific law. Also there are those elements that break down into other elements. How did the original elements get there, if they only break down? (there might be a real explanation for that which would be cool to hear)


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: ArkofCovenant on June 27, 2007, 05:38:38 pm
I personally find it very difficult to believe that some higher being in the middle of nowhere and nothingness suddenly created the universe and chose to create life upon our planet alone (do religious people think that god is watching over life on other planets as well?),

[...]

Another question for anyone religious, what do you/the Catholic church believe that god is? Is it like a human (since they refer to it as He), is it some spirit thingy?

ok 1) "in the middle of nowhere and nothingness" is actually kind of accurate (IMO). I beleive it is possible that god is indeed some sort of 10th dimensional being. yes. I said 10th dimension. T-E-N-T-H dimension. http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php (http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php) (watch this and you will know. its is under "imagining 10 dimensions". Its a flash movie).

2) as to refering to god as human- I think that is entirely innaccurate. There is no way that god could be anything close to human if he was 10 dimensional. people have been refering to god as human at least as long as the bible has existed (as far as I know). there is no way that 6000 years ago or whenever the old testament was written they could comprehend 10th dimensional beings so they simply refered to "him" as something they know- a human. I cant even begin to comprehend what a tenth dimensional being would be like, but I know enough that it is certainly not human or anything close.

3) as to our planet alone- no I am a firm beleiver that there is life elsewhere in the universe (whether the other life is inteligent or developed or not is debate-able). I see no reason why there could not be life on other planets especially considering the size of the universe. if the bible refers to the universe as "the world", and then says he created life in "the world", I think it would be safe to interpret that as "the universe" .


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Zro on July 24, 2007, 05:25:50 pm
1. In teh beginnin Invisible Man was invisible, and he maded the skiez and da earths, but he did not eated it.
2. The earths wus witout shapez and wus dark and scary and stuffs, and he rode invisible bike over teh waterz.
3. And Invisible Man sayz, mee be there light, and teh light wuz.
4. Teh Invisible Man sawed teh light, to sees stuffs, and separatered the light form dark and stuffs
5. And Invisible Man sayed light Day and dark no Day. Teh evning and morning was teh first day.
6. And Invisible Man sayed, letz tehre be teh ceilings of waterz, with waterz up n waterz down.
7. And Invisible Man doed the skiez with waterz down and waterz up, and stuff.
8. And Invisible Man sayed, letz up be teh firmmint, so evning and morning was teh twoth day.
9. And Invisible Man gotted all no waterz into ur base, so no waterz wus not wetted
10. And Invisible Man called no wather Earths, so tehre.
11. And Invisbile Man sayed, letz us has grass and stuff, so yield seeds and stuff, and fruitzors and stuff, upon the earths.
12. And Invisible Man sawed that weedz is teh good stuff, so, letz tehre be weed.
13. And so teh evning n the morning of the threeth day.
14. And Invisible Man sayed, letz tehre be lights in the firmmint for dividing day from no day.
15. So tehre, lights everwaer, like chrissmass, wai.
16. And Invisible Man doeth two greate lights, teh most big for day, teh other for no day.
17. And Invisible Man screweth tehm on firmmint, with big nails and stuff.
18. And Invisible Man sawed it wus the goodz, so wai.
19. And so teh evning n the morning of the furth day.
20. And Invisible Man sayed, letz teh waterz brings forht the loots and stuff, and phishes, and burdies, that flyed over the no waterz and swimmeths in the waterz.
21. And Invisble Man created big fishies, which wuz like big caws, except they not mooed, and other stuffs that gives the mooves, n Invisible Man wuz plezed.
22. And Invisible Man sented them std::greetings, and stuff, so letz u be happy and stuff.
23. And so teh evning n the morning of the fifth day
24. And Invisible Man sayed, letz there me moar living stuff, mooes, and creepz, and otehr animuls, so tehre.
25. And Invisible Man doed moar living stuff, mooes, and creepies, and otehr animuls, and did not eated tehm.
26. And Invisible Man sayed, letz us do min like uz, becuz we is teh cute, n let min has dominion and stuff.
27. So Invisible Man createded min and womin, min an womin wuz created, but he did not eated tehm.
28. And Invisible Man sented them std::greetings, so teh fornicate and teh multiplyers, and haz teh dominion on teh waterz, no waterz and the firmmint, and every thingz and stuff.
29. And Invisible Man sayed, Yo, Beholdt, I has the earths, I has it, and I has not eated it.
30. For evry createded stuff tehre are the foodz, to the burdies, the creepiez, and the mooes, so tehre.
31. And Invisible Man sawed that he is teh Min, and, Beholdt, teh good enouf for releaze as version 0.8a. kthx bai.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: ArkofCovenant on July 26, 2007, 12:18:41 pm
ok I think I speak for everyone when I say WTF?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Level_9_Chao on July 29, 2007, 09:26:42 pm
Before I start, I am making it clear that I am going to be excessively wordfiltered. Yay!


Okay, okay. Funny story. This really happened, I am not exaggerating anything.

Today I was on the New York subways on my way back from Chinatown. Nothing happens for like 2 minutes, and then this native american looking dude holds up a dry erase board with "Earth Angels" on it in fancy font. He's like LISTEN UP EVERYBODY and although everybody looked away, they were definitely listening, including me.

So he talks about how CARPENTER loves us and crap. Nobody says anything. He says the Earth Angels need members so they don't go to hell or something. That we've been fooled by the logic of science and not being stupid. He's like "There are zombies all over the earth, REAL ZOMBIES. They can drive cars, and speak english... and... and eat McDonalds..."

So then he goes, "Now I'm going to eliminate 3/4 of the population here, listen VERY CAREFULLY. If you're a guy, forget it. And if you're ONE SECOND over 29, forget it too. LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY. You need to be under 29 and female. LISTEN UP GIRLS, QUIT YOUR CHIT CHAT AND LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY. CARPENTER LOVES YOU." So nobody does anything, still. Then this (what looked to be) poverty-stricken woman on the car with us, and she goes up to him, and (I didn't hear super-clear, she was quiet and looked drunk) she asks for a quarter or something, adding that if CARPENTER loved us he'd be willing to spare a mere 25 cents. I think he said no. She claimed it to be bullshit and walked away. Even hobos are that smart.

So he keeps telling us to listen very carefully, and then his stop comes and he's like "THE EARTH ANGEL MUST LEAVE." Everybody laughs. Everybody. It kicked BUM-BUM.

In short, religions, almost always involving CARPENTER, are corrupt, make people look and act like stupid poopy heads, and though they still say they love the world and stuff, still drive polluting cars and can't donate any money to somebody who just wants some food and beer.

Also, judging by the specificness of his recruiting methods, he probably just wanted a fresh victim to SURPRISE WRESTLING. All in the name of religion, of course.

[/religionowned]


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Petroid on July 30, 2007, 09:04:52 pm
I AM CARPENTER


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on July 31, 2007, 02:00:31 pm
I find people who do that kind of stuff to be a tad messed up. Just a tad.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Level_9_Chao on August 01, 2007, 12:21:45 am
Do YOU believe in God, CARPENTER, or the Holey Spirit?

Watch this video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D-rKiGJrcNw

NOW YOU DONT


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: ArkofCovenant on August 09, 2007, 01:18:32 pm
I cant watch the video where I am right now but I will comment on the story.

there are always crazy people who misinterpret religion. the "earth angel" man u saw was one of them. the terrorists are another group. the terrorists claim they do what they do in the name of allah and whatnot. islam is not a bad religion and is in no way worse than any other religion. the terrorists use it as a tool to gather followers and they misinterpret it and bend it to their will. I realize this is not entirely accurate but I beleive it is close enough for the purposes of this argument. just because there are crazy people who do crazy things for their "religion" doesnt make that religion bad in any way.


also: I find the term "surprise wrestling" very funny. let me try:
**** **** rap3 r@p3 raped RAPED

huh, maybe u guys should fix that lol


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Hermit Solmu on August 10, 2007, 05:23:07 pm

also: I find the term "surprise wrestling" very funny. let me try:
SURPRISE WRESTLING SURPRISE WRESTLING rap3 r@p3 raped RAPED

huh, maybe u guys should fix that lol
We don't care if you say **** or not. It's just funny. 


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: ArkofCovenant on August 10, 2007, 07:43:41 pm
right. I mean fix it so that when I say RAPED it should also say **** just like when I say r_ape


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Hermit Solmu on August 10, 2007, 08:05:52 pm
right. I mean fix it so that when I say RAPED it should also say SURPRISE WRESTLING just like when I say r_ape
What I mean is, we don't care if you say bad words. The filter is pretty much a gag here.

Don't take that as an invitation, however. *sets ban stick to stun*


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: ArkofCovenant on August 10, 2007, 08:12:08 pm
right and I mean as a gag it would be more funny if it filtered all versions of the word "R_A_P_E" including past tense and present tense "Raping"


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on August 12, 2007, 07:13:42 pm
What does this have to do with religion?
If you plan on discussing this, I suggest you do it someplace else that isn't in the religion, and in that case, the debate forums.

Anyways, my dad brought up a good point earlier. There MAY be a higher power, and he can respect that. But human religion is screwed up. No one really knows what life after death is like. The supposed higher being doesn't want freakin' sacrifices. Seriously. Someone must have been on something when they decided that a god wanted to have a rabbit sacrificed, then preach equality to all... except people of other races/ religions/ beliefs.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Hermit Solmu on August 12, 2007, 07:26:50 pm
Anyways, my dad brought up a good point earlier. There MAY be a higher power, and he can respect that. But human religion is screwed up. No one really knows what life after death is like. The supposed higher being doesn't want freakin' sacrifices. Seriously. Someone must have been on something when they decided that a god wanted to have a rabbit sacrificed, then preach equality to all... except people of other races/ religions/ beliefs.
NOTE: I'm not disagreeing, I'm using you as leverage.

If there MAY be a higher power, why isn't it just as easy to say there MAY not be?

It's just a theory. There is no proof. The Bible is NOT proof. It is something that someone MADE UP, and there is no real reason to follow it blindly like so many do.

Another thing. Your true beliefs cannot be obtained simply by leeching them off of another. It takes an extensive amount of thought process. I have spent my entire life trying to comprehend what I believe, and being debunked by 'THE BIBLE SAYS SO' really sets me on edge.

That's why I hate Christianity.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on August 12, 2007, 07:36:10 pm
Anyways, my dad brought up a good point earlier. There MAY be a higher power, and he can respect that. But human religion is screwed up. No one really knows what life after death is like. The supposed higher being doesn't want freakin' sacrifices. Seriously. Someone must have been on something when they decided that a god wanted to have a rabbit sacrificed, then preach equality to all... except people of other races/ religions/ beliefs.
NOTE: I'm not disagreeing, I'm using you as leverage.

If there MAY be a higher power, why isn't it just as easy to say there MAY not be?

It's just a theory. There is no proof. The Bible is NOT proof. It is something that someone MADE UP, and there is no real reason to follow it blindly like so many do.
That's pretty much what I'm saying, maybe there is a higher power, maybe there isn't. But religion is so whacked, and everyone has such different perspectives you can't really be told what's true or false.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: ArkofCovenant on August 13, 2007, 09:41:15 am
yeah and some people think that if u say god doesnt exist or u talk bad about god u will get hit by lightning or something bad will happen.......

*ark waits*

damn, well screw that theory


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Proudane122 on November 18, 2007, 05:16:57 pm
I don't think so, considering the Bible mentions only Earth (a formless wasteland, yet there was darkness and water before god even began making earth. Somehow.). In fact, I think that a universe isn;t even mentioned, just earth. I think. Could be wrong.
I know you said that this is just what "they say", so no offense Level_9_Chao, but the only reason that a universe isn't mentioned is because the people who made up the creation myth (yes, i went there) didn't know there was a universe. if people today wrote the creation myth, they would have said that God created the universe. Really, most of the stories in the bible are myths. stories that people made up thousands of years ago to explain why something is or to make a point or to provide a moral and no one can dispute that fact. most bible stories are no higher in legitimacy than those of ancient greece and rome, and yet those stories were tossed aside as false.
For the record I'm not aethiest I'm more of a Lutheran or an agnostic.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: BlazingWyvern on November 18, 2007, 07:26:30 pm
I thought of something while having a religion rant at lunch one day. First off, most of America is made up of Christians, or other religions who aren't allowed to kill, correct? Secondly, the army of the United States is pretty large and made up of a lot of Christian soldiers.
When they go to fight, so they believe God wants them to be victorious or kill the other side? Or are they thinking, "Wow, based on my beliefs, I shouldn't be here!" Nope. Instead, they kill people and still believe that God is with them, although they aren't allowed to kill, otherwise they'll go to hell.
After all that, my History teacher made us read this: "The War Prayer" (http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/warprayer.html)
Check it out, and let's see what you think.


Title: Re: Religion.
Post by: Proudane122 on November 18, 2007, 09:37:22 pm
When they go to fight, so they believe God wants them to be victorious or kill the other side? Or are they thinking, "Wow, based on my beliefs, I shouldn't be here!" Nope. Instead, they kill people and still believe that God is with them, although they aren't allowed to kill, otherwise they'll go to hell.
Well, according to Christianity, if they ask for forgiveness they pretty much don't go to hell, and even if they don't ask for forgiveness they still get forgiveness if they believe in CARPENTER. Yeah, Christianity is kind of an easy religion.