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Title: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 21, 2007, 08:38:53 pm
I just thought I should make this while it was still available.

Wandering minds want to know, Ninjas... or Pirates?
Who is your favorite, and who would win in a fight?


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on May 21, 2007, 08:39:24 pm
Pirates.

No doubt.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on May 21, 2007, 09:02:33 pm
"I wanna be a pirate" yes this quote is from the almighty Escape from Monkey series. If you play one of the four you'll wanna be a pirate.

We get GROG, not that Sudoko japanese ****.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Level_9_Chao on May 21, 2007, 09:04:20 pm
Pirates are my favorite, but Ninjas would kill in a fight.

I mean, Pirates are drunken idiots. Ninjas know all that katana crap. 'Nuff said.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 21, 2007, 09:11:57 pm
Pirates are my favorite, but Ninjas would kill in a fight.

I mean, Pirates are drunken idiots. Ninjas know all that katana crap. 'Nuff said.
I agree with all except that Ninjas would be my favorite. Ninjas own. Who needs a ship full of a drunken, stupid crew, when you can walk on water. Oh, Pirates have guns you say? Ninjas can:
A) Teleport out of the way
B) Catch the bullet
C) Slice the gun in half by running incredibly fast around the drunken idiot and using Katanas.

Oh, Pirates do the Eyepatch Trick? (One eye is concealed so that when they go below deck their "Patch Eye" is already adjusted to the darkness.
Well, Ninjas live in darkness.

Anything else you'd like to say?


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on May 21, 2007, 09:26:48 pm
yeah we can get **** **** faced

ohh you've been served


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on May 22, 2007, 06:20:21 am
Yeah, I got something for you Freechack.

What happens if you make one tiny mistake? Maybe you just move out of the way of the bullet instead of catching it? No big deal, right?

OH WAIT. YOU'RE A NINJA. YOU HAVE TO FREAKING KILL YOURSELF.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Mup on May 22, 2007, 07:17:50 am
Did you know that ninjas had to carry a sword in order to kill themselves? yeah, talk about wussy.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Asian on May 22, 2007, 12:51:09 pm
who wuz it that told me bout female ninjas?
someone told me that they poison themself then have WRESTLING with their victems to poison them as well.

weird, but still Asian...


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Mup on May 22, 2007, 04:15:36 pm
wow ninjas suck


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on May 22, 2007, 04:47:36 pm
Attension all pirates.

FREE GROG


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 23, 2007, 04:18:48 pm
First of all. If anyone watches Mythbusters... the pirate special OWNED!!! the ninja special. Ninjas are shams made by the Asian governments to instill fear in their people so they wouldn't have dared to steal rice from the merchants or others. There is no proof that ninjas even existed, even proving a samurai (side note: how the hell do you pluralize samurai?) is a stretch. Pirates on the other hand, are proven to have existed and kick BUM-BUM. They like...drink rum all day, and steal money. I mean it has to be a lot of money too, right. I mean those ships are HUGE and all those other pirates don't work for free, eh? They probably had one-night-stand-wives that they had to support...which brings me to another point =D. Ninjas can' even reveal their identity, but a pirate's life is free (http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf). Pirates own ninjas in every way.

A pirate would win in a fight because ninjas don't exist, and something that isn't there can't win in a fight. Plus, some have the curse of immortality and don't die. Ninjas are just non-existent, fast-moving, flesh-bags.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Level_9_Chao on May 23, 2007, 05:05:22 pm
A pirate would win in a fight because ninjas don't exist, and something that isn't there can't win in a fight.

So they could defeat even 5atan?

Sweet. :P


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on May 23, 2007, 05:13:25 pm
First of all. If anyone watches Mythbusters... the pirate special OWNED!!! the ninja special. Ninjas are shams made by the Asian governments to instill fear in their people so they wouldn't have dared to steal rice from the merchants or others. There is no proof that ninjas even existed, even proving a samurai (side note: how the hell do you pluralize samurai?) is a stretch. Pirates on the other hand, are proven to have existed and kick BUM-BUM. They like...drink rum all day, and steal money. I mean it has to be a lot of money too, right. I mean those ships are HUGE and all those other pirates don't work for free, eh? They probably had one-night-stand-wives that they had to support...which brings me to another point =D. Ninjas can' even reveal their identity, but a pirate's life is free (http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf). Pirates own ninjas in every way.

A pirate would win in a fight because ninjas don't exist, and something that isn't there can't win in a fight. Plus, some have the curse of immortality and don't die. Ninjas are just non-existent, fast-moving, flesh-bags.



woh, woh, woh Are you crazy!!!!!!!! Pirates don't just only drink rum, they brink GROG, GROG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sniff sniff i miss you guybrush treepwood. MAKE ANOTHER SEQUAL. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 23, 2007, 07:32:42 pm
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So they could defeat even 5atan?

Yes.

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Pirates don't just only drink rum, they brink GROG, GROG

and yes.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 23, 2007, 09:23:45 pm
Ok, wait. Hold on here.

If pirates drink rum all day THEY DIE! If pirates get hired for a job, they get fired because they drink too much. THEN DIE!

Ninjas not existing doesn't really matter. This is a debate for nerds. And by the way, have you ever met a ninja or a pirate? No, because there aren't any pirates anymore, so technically, they don't exist either. (the only pirates you'll meet are at theme parks and they're payed to tell teenagers to stop making fun of them, so no REAL pirates)

Based on what has been inferred or told about ninjas/pirates, people should use THAT info about which side they want to win.

And at least Ninjas die honorably, they don't die from a 0.89 BCA, nor do they have to always work together. They can just assassinate others solo. So, while a pirate is out binge drinking, a ninja can easily slice them up. Simple ownage.

Don't get me wrong, I like both Ninjas and Pirates, but Ninjas are just way better.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 23, 2007, 09:52:01 pm
Dear sir, yes there are pirates in existence today. They cause over 600million in boat damages and stolen property a year in the United states. No lie. Sure, they may not have a parrot on their shoulder or a peg leg, but it's the lifestyle that is being debated here. If we were to think in your sense of "if" ninjas exist, then I could still completely own you.

Pirates drink...a lot. +
Ninjas can not drink due to it dulls their senses. -

One for the pirates.

Pirates are rich, no doubt about it. +
Ninjas have to free themselves of all material possessions. -

Ouch, yea...poor ninjas. Literally.

Pirates can use guns, swords, fists, cannons, politics, and forms of magic (if we are thinking in they "hypothetical sense" you wanted). +
Ninjas have hand to hand combat, nun-chucks, throwing stars, psychology, etc. +

Weapons have to be equal, unless there wouldn't be a debate...

Pirates vary in many attires, including swashbuckling shirts, belts, pants, leggings, hats, belts and buckles, and sometimes nothing at all. Attire is free to choose for a pirate. +
Ninjas wear the same black cloth suit every day of the year, or nothing at all. Both are bad. -

Ninjas are commies if you think about it...slightly lethal commies...

Pirates can sail where they want, rob who they want, bury their treasure where they want, sleep with the maidens where they want, dig up where they want, imprison who they want, bombard any ship they want, and so forth. ++
Ninjas either kill the emperor or protect him. One or the other. --

America is all based on your freedoms, are you an American if you believe in this, destruction of the head of chief? Following mindless orders from the head ninja? I didn't think so.

Pirates have their own day... their own day. Even a ->website (http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html) for it and everything.+
Ninjas have a sacred tome or something..who even cares about that. -

Pirates have many other superiorities... but my fingers hurt from writing essays IN and OUT of school. 'till later. May your debates be firm.

P1Raets R00l!


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on May 24, 2007, 01:44:06 am
1. Ninjas wear different attire to disguise them self. The suits are diffrent colors depending on surrondings. You can't normally tell a ninja is a ninja which can be used for stealth, sneaking up, tricking people, undercover, etc. Plus their clothes dont really matter because you will probably be dead by the time you are able to see them/know they are a ninja.

Pirates wear dirty clothes wear they can get dieseases and fleas from. You can tell a pirate is a pirate so their is no tricking anyone

Ninjas win

2. Ninjas have mastered pretty much all weapons. They have mastered various explosives too, such as timed fuses and smoke bombs. They master hand to hand combat. They train their have trained their whole lives so they are insanely good fighters. They can counter any weapon. They have strategy and can psychologicaly mess up someone. They are in peak phiscal condition. Ninjas are fast and stealthy too which is a advantage in battle.

Pirates use swords, fists, cannons, and guns. They usally havent been trained to use their weapons. They are generaly unhealthy or fat which is a disadvantage for a fight.  They arent particulary smart either so they dont have much strategy and cant figure out how to counter weapons/fighting styles. Plus they are drunk half the time.

Ninjas win hands down, even if the weapons were equal a Ninja would win because of superior fighting skills

3. Ninjas don't drink so they are healthier and more alert

Pirates drink a develope a wide range of illnesses such as heptitas, cancer, obsesity, addiction, etc. Plus they are less alert and risk blood alcohol poisioning

Ninjas win

4. Ninjas are smart and have study alot in their training. They know a variety of strategies and psychology. They can assess the best possible action in any given situation.

Pirates are generally stupid, except for the captain. They dont have much common sense either. They normally dont have any strategy and wont be able to think their way out of a jam.

Ninjas win

5. Ninjas are hired as assassins, sabotage, and espinoage. They could do what they wanted if they wanted to (whos gonna stop the best fighters around?) but they are honorable and stay loyal to their leader.

Pirates can do whatever they want. They arent loyal or honorable

Pirates win in the fun sense. Ninjas win in the respectable logical sense, Ninjas win in the cool sense becuase they have a super cool job

6. Ninjas have Naruto
Pirates have One Piece

both are good top selling mangas but, Pirates win because One Piece kicks BUM-BUM.

7. A ninja can take out a bunch of people super quickly by him/her self

Pirates need numbers/a swarm to take out a bunch of people, plus they do it slowly

Ninjas win

8. Ninjas are healthy. They excercise in eat healthy. They will geneally live longer and be better fighters. Ninjas are generally clean.

Pirates are super unhealthy. They eat crappy, unhealthy, modly food. They get tons of diesease such as scurvy and small pocks. They don't live long and the bad health makes them poorer fighters. Plus they aren't clean which contributes to their unhealthiness

Ninjas win

9. Ninjas are silent so they can sneak up on people

Pirates are loud. You know they're coming from a mile away

Ninjas win

Ninjas are way better than pirates. Ninjas own all.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 24, 2007, 01:59:26 am
I will compromise. But only this much.
Pirates Ninjas

Pirates = 1    __
     Ninjas = .33 x 3


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Mup on May 24, 2007, 07:18:19 am
HINT: Pirates ships are the hardest weapon to use. Making pirates not fat at all. ****.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 24, 2007, 05:20:50 pm
Ok, so far I've learned (from what Zro said) that:
1) Pirates are the leading cause of STDs.
2) If pirates learn how to drive, you better get off the road.
3) Pirates aren't necessarily rich seeing as they took pirating as a career.
4) Swashbuckiling is an adjective used today.


And Pirates can't do EVERYTHING that they want or else they get hung in the gallows.

And it takes several Pirates to man a ship, shoot a cannon, and all that crap. Pirates probably don't make their own ships.

All this being said, I AM going to see Pirates of the Caribbean 3... once people stop going to watch.

That's all for now.

Believe it!


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on May 24, 2007, 07:36:09 pm
Pirates drinnk grog, has anyone ever desribed to you how cool and delious GROG is. If you play monkey island  you will see pirates are pretty dam witty they think fast(if they actually need to.)

So the best way to find out whose better is to be in there shoes(in this case play videogames,) everyone who wants to particapate must rent ps2's monkey island 4(it actually makes you have to think really hard) and reply how you think it was. They also must rent a ninja game, (please give suggestions, i really don't know what a good ninja game is) and they must say how much they liked the game. Actually pirate lovers rent the ninja video game and ninja lovers rent the pirate game. And after a decent amount of the game you must tell TRUTHFUL how you felt about it. Everyone who wants to particapate message me and tell me who you repesent(pirate/ninja) it's just for basic knowledge


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 24, 2007, 10:01:56 pm
That wouldn't necessarily work. I would probably like a Pirate Game, like the new Pirates of the Caribbean game coming out. I also like Naruto: Ultimate Ninja.
Ninjas Vs. Pirates isn't really affected by games, because games are just good.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on May 24, 2007, 10:15:41 pm
Ninjas are completely self-sufficent. Pirates need a whole 100+ crew to do anything so they suck on their own. Plus a Ninja can take out a whole pirate crew at once, by him/her self too. You don't have to be physically fit to operate a ship if you got a whole crew of people, so that argument doesn't disprove Pirates being fat.

Ninjas 99% win. They're cooler, better in pretty much everyway, not to mention being able kill pretty much anyone, and of course aren't complete idiot bums. Pirates 1% because they have s.e.x.

Ninjas own all especially Pirates.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 25, 2007, 07:51:33 pm
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCcmHzHwaOw) is proof of how awesome Ninjas are. I mean, come on. THEY GET FREE CABLE! And can pick locks to cars.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 25, 2007, 08:16:06 pm
PotC: At World's End is living proof of the l33t and (funniness) of pirates.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on May 26, 2007, 06:28:45 pm
Pirates are more in the media, look at them with all their movies. As for ninjas, the only ninja movie i ever saw was with chris farley, and he ended up making fun of them a lot.

**** yea


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on May 27, 2007, 06:51:35 pm
So far the Ninjas win because the only plus for Pirates are more media coverage and s.e.x. Ninjas own in everything else.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 27, 2007, 09:18:23 pm
"lol, limewire"

Best defense for pirates.

Ninjas have than Anime crap, not saying its crap per se, but its all the same and that makes it unoriginal, thus crap.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 28, 2007, 07:16:00 pm
Defense? Limewire?

Just ask Asian how awesome limewire is, then tell me what you think of it again. Enough said.

OWN'T!  :P


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 29, 2007, 02:26:21 am
http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf

 ;D


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on May 29, 2007, 02:48:33 am
The big music companies can just hire ninjas to assassinate all the pirates using Limewire. So ninjas win in that category too.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 29, 2007, 06:50:54 am
Yeah, I know what it is. But seeing as it encourages the use of limewire, it's bad.
Like I said, ask Asian. He'd know how awesome it is.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on May 30, 2007, 01:25:34 am
Computers were made to crash, if they didn't then that would be very very bad because we would be able to make machines that couldn't be stopped...Terminator ****...

Anyway, I know limewire sucks.... but its not as bad as...

BEARSHARE (http://server6.pictiger.com/img/195745/bearshare.swf)


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on May 30, 2007, 05:05:51 pm
Pirates win, and I'm Super Serial


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on May 30, 2007, 05:13:25 pm
Well, here's my trump card.

Chuck Norris is a ninja. Beat that.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Asian on May 31, 2007, 07:24:41 am
chihuahua! ;D


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on June 01, 2007, 05:06:33 pm
He's not a ninja, he knows kung-fu dumass


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 01, 2007, 09:21:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN9FCTrVEzc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN9FCTrVEzc) Just check there. And listen closely.
Chuck Norris is a ninja. And even if it gets disproven over 101 times, a pirate would be too drunk to know the difference, attack Chuck Norris, and Chuck Norris will kill the pirate, then proceed to kill all other pirates. Take that ^_^


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on June 04, 2007, 07:05:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN9FCTrVEzc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN9FCTrVEzc) Just check there. And listen closely.
Chuck Norris is a ninja. And even if it gets disproven over 101 times, a pirate would be too drunk to know the difference, attack Chuck Norris, and Chuck Norris will kill the pirate, then proceed to kill all other pirates. Take that ^_^
Hey Nick:

You're a ninja, and I'm a pirate. I WIN. Shut up.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on June 04, 2007, 03:12:15 pm
Thats not very logical. Ninjas win because all the agruments supporting them are logical (except mabye the Chuck Norris one).
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Ninjas= not as fun, better at pretty much everything else

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Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on June 04, 2007, 03:19:19 pm
Honestly, here's a good arguement:

Ninja's have a certain goal. They focus on that goal, and make it their only objective. Nothing else will get in the way of that, and if they fail they will kill themselves. This shows absolutely no problem solving; everything must go to plan.

With Pirates, they might not get the job done the first time, but it doesn't matter. They can use wit and politics to work things out to work their way, even if it doesn't involve killing people.

Ninjas= Win or die. Kill if possible.

Pirates= Win or try again. Kill if profitable.

Pirates win.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on June 04, 2007, 03:43:43 pm
Amen.
thats what I tried to touch on in..

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Pirates can sail where they want, rob who they want, bury their treasure where they want, sleep with the maidens where they want, dig up where they want, imprison who they want, bombard any ship they want, and so forth. ++
Ninjas either kill the emperor or protect him. One or the other. --


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on June 04, 2007, 06:39:12 pm
Honestly, here's a good arguement:

Ninja's have a certain goal. They focus on that goal, and make it their only objective. Nothing else will get in the way of that, and if they fail they will kill themselves. This shows absolutely no problem solving; everything must go to plan.

With Pirates, they might not get the job done the first time, but it doesn't matter. They can use wit and politics to work things out to work their way, even if it doesn't involve killing people.

Ninjas= Win or die. Kill if possible.

Pirates= Win or try again. Kill if profitable.

Pirates win.
Actually Ninjas are trained to have instant quick problem solving so that they can find a way to get their mission done given any situation. They are trained to find a way to counter any attack/weapon (problem solving), find a ways to hide anywhere (problem solving), find ways to spy anywhere (problem solving), instantly change plans when something goes wrong/different (problem solving), find ways to trick anybody (problem solving), and quickly lie there way out of things (problem solving). Everything doesn't have to go as planned for a Ninja they can quickly change it given any situation.

Ninjas killing themselves when they fail is deserved most of the time because they have so many assests and skills that they should never fail, and failing is pretty rare.

Pirates kill who ever they want no matter if its profitable. Ninjas only kill who their told and those who interfer with their mission.

Since that argument has be disproved, Ninjas still win.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 04, 2007, 07:21:34 pm
Amen.
thats what I tried to touch on in..

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Pirates can sail where they want, rob who they want, bury their treasure where they want, sleep with the maidens where they want, dig up where they want, imprison who they want, bombard any ship they want, and so forth. ++
Ninjas either kill the emperor or protect him. One or the other. --
That still isn't helping your case when I say that this makes Pirates the leading cause of STDs in the world...


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on June 04, 2007, 08:15:06 pm
If the chicks didn't have the STD's to start with, then they wouldn't be spreading it. STD's are a world effort, not just a single group causing them.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on June 04, 2007, 08:19:56 pm
If the chicks didn't have the STD's to start with, then they wouldn't be spreading it. STD's are a world effort, not just a single group causing them.

That still means pirates have STDs and ninjas don't. Ninjas win again.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on June 11, 2007, 07:16:23 pm
So Ninjas don't reproduce. Nice argument. Nub.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 12, 2007, 01:27:17 pm
Who says they don't?

And going back to the argument about Ninjas existing, for one, who's to say they actually don't? And also, to date, there are at least 2 actual Ninja Warriors in the world.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on June 15, 2007, 09:07:32 pm
Who says they don't?

And going back to the argument about Ninjas existing, for one, who's to say they actually don't? And also, to date, there are at least 2 actual Ninja Warriors in the world.
I laugh at your miscomprehension.

The two warriors of which you speak are winners of a Japanese game show called 'Ninja Warrior'. Only two people have mastered the insane obstacle course.

There have been countless numbers of real ninjas. People who assassinate, people who sneak about, people who steal, etc.

Both parties are in fact real.

And on the subject of STD's, female ninjas had a tactic of poisoning their vaginas and then sleeping with their target. Suicide WRESTLING, if you will.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 15, 2007, 10:11:43 pm
I know about Ninjas Warrior because I watch it. Zro said early on that Ninjas didn't exist. So which is it, exist? Or not? (but like I said, it doesn't really matter that much, I just wanted to point out that they do exist) Plus, Ninjas Warrior does rock (quite a bit more than that Reality TV show, Pirate Master.) It's intense all the crap they go through.

Back to the topic of STD's, at least the kunoichi actually killed their target and didn't spread more STD's over the High Seas.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on June 16, 2007, 08:28:45 am
I know about Ninjas Warrior because I watch it. Zro said early on that Ninjas didn't exist. So which is it, exist? Or not? (but like I said, it doesn't really matter that much, I just wanted to point out that they do exist) Plus, Ninjas Warrior does rock (quite a bit more than that Reality TV show, Pirate Master.) It's intense all the crap they go through.

Back to the topic of STD's, at least the kunoichi actually killed their target and didn't spread more STD's over the High Seas.
Yeah, but they'd die doing it.

What you're not understanding is the flexibility and creativity of pirates. That is what puts them over ninjas. Ninjas only have one way of doing things, and if it doesn't work, they kill themselves. Pirates, on the other hand, have no problems using unorthodox techniques, or political pressure to get what they want in the end.

What's more, there was no such thing as a 'roan ninja'. There were lone samurai, called Ronin, but they are not part of this discussion. Pirates, on the other hand, worked solely for their own personal benefit. This may sound greedy and ignorant, but it also means that they have a freedom to do whatever they want and make whatever sacrifices they want to make based on their views, not their leaders. This gives them the ultimate loyalty to the cause, putting them yet another notch above ninjas.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on June 18, 2007, 02:17:55 pm
Ninjas really don't have any honor, they'll come up behind you and stab you in the heart. While pirates fight more honorably(not a lot more honorably but more) they'll fight you and who ever wins is based on there swordsmen ship. And even if they don't that they still let you walk the plank, which at least you arnt surprised when it happens.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 18, 2007, 09:08:54 pm
On the topic of Honor, in a sword fight, don't pirates usually pull out guns? And also, Ninjas bring honor to their country. Ever think of that?

On the topic of suicide, DON'T DO IT. Other than that, Ninjas don't fail their assignment. And they don't only have one way to do something, as in they don't have to go through Window A, but they could go through Window B. Or take one step to the left and such. And they won't have to kill themselves because of this.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on June 21, 2007, 08:57:08 pm
On the topic of Honor, in a sword fight, don't pirates usually pull out guns?
That was one time in a historically inaccurate popular motion picture. Your sources are not valid.

Quote from: BlazingWyvern
On the topic of suicide, DON'T DO IT. Other than that, Ninjas don't fail their assignment.
If you are so against suicide, why do you support ninjas? They feel this is the only honorable path after failure.

And your argument that they simply never fail reminds me of someone, when questioned about God, saying, 'Because the Bible says so.'



Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 23, 2007, 09:44:01 pm
Well, Pirates technically commit suicide due to the ammount of alcohol they drink. And I'm against it, because I don't think suicide is right. Ninjas can't fail their assignments, they train too hard for it. So there is no need to kill themselves.

And I didn't get the idea of pulling a gun in a sword-fight from an innacurate popular motion picture, I was asking a question. And Pirates are usually too drunk to worry about honor. All they care about is their own life, no one else's.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Level_9_Chao on June 25, 2007, 01:07:16 pm
Well, Pirates technically commit suicide due to the ammount of alcohol they drink.

Not really. If it's by accident it don't count.

Nevertheless, ninjas win, somehow.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on June 26, 2007, 08:34:54 am
On another not, Pirates get beaten by Sunny-D in a commercial. MULTIPLE Pirates.
I know there was another one where Sunny-D beat a Ninja, but it was supposed to be a video game thing, and it was ONE Ninja. I just felt like showing both sides. Pirates get owned by a drink. Ninja-game-character gets defeated by a hacker.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: ArkofCovenant on June 26, 2007, 01:27:15 pm
hey im Ark, Freechak's (BlazingWyvern) friend. anyway....
okay... asuming we are debating who would win in a fight...
It depends on the conditions of the fight. Are we on land? in a house? on a spinning waterwheel gone crazy? underwater? on a mountain? underground? there are so many places where a ninja may encounter a pirate... and each of them present different opportunities and uh... thing to kill each other with for each side. So...
if we put a pirate on land in the middle of a field armed with a sword 2 pistols and a dagger/knife and we have a ninja 50 feet away armed with your ninja weapon of choice (as said before, they have mastered all weapons) I would give it to the ninja...
however pirates are not normally alone in a field on dry land away from their ship... so it is unlikely that these circumstances will ever actually come into being....

anyway thats what I think :D


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on July 02, 2007, 02:55:44 pm
Going back to One Piece vs Naruto, I like Naruto better because they have complicated solutions that make perfect sense. (One example is the whole "focus" thing. Jiraiya draws a symbol on Naruto's hand, then pulls out a sheet of paper and tells Naruto to look at it, then draws a symbol on it and tells him to look at it again. Basically, your eyes look all over the blank sheet, but focus immediately on the symbol in the middle of the second sheet). One Piece on the other hand is all determination, and I'm fine with that. I'm all for determination (as some of you already know), but a guy that's made of rubber being better than a ninja? That's just preposterous. All of a sudden, Luppe (sp?) will get hit by a steamroller, then get shot by twelve cannons, but manage to get up because they won't crush his dream. And after that he'll be launched into space, fall into water (seeing as water is his weakness?) but still survive because of his dream.

I respect both shows, but I enjoy Naruto quite a bit better. Logic beats rubber any day.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on July 23, 2007, 03:02:19 pm
(http://stopgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/ninjasalary.png)


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Level_9_Chao on July 23, 2007, 03:31:15 pm
I detect win.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: ArkofCovenant on July 26, 2007, 12:14:56 pm
*Ark rofl's until parents come in and shoot him*

wow i dont even care if that is fake. Im to lazy to go back and read the first post, are we debating which is cooler or who would win in a fight or which you would rather be?

I think someone should make a movie about ninja-pirates and we would all be like "OMG OMG OMG PIRATE NINJA'S OMG OMG OMG OMG"

although there would be little plot unless it was pirate-ninja's against pirate-ninja's because a pirate ninja could solve any sort of problem in less than 5 seconds unless it required beating another pirate ninja.

also, if pirates and ninja made vows to try and wipe each other out, who would win? okay and then if we gave the ninja's modern submarines and we gave the pirates nuclear missiles who would win?


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on July 26, 2007, 01:03:46 pm
Ok, about salaries. Let me point out a few things. Pirates would spend half of their salary on some form of alcoholic beverage. Also, they can't be paid if they die in the middle of a battle/ pointless mutiny. Plus, the money they acquire has to go to managing the ship and making sure they have more alcohol then they already had.
Ninja don't need to spend all of their money on useless crap that'll make them braindead, so they save a lot more money.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on July 26, 2007, 10:57:52 pm
Whats wrong with spending a wee bit of cash on some lager (or grog)?

Ninjas have to buy weapons, sharpen them, they have to get thier clothes dry cleaned or what ever. Ninjas cant be paid if they die too.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on July 30, 2007, 11:27:04 pm


Yeah, but they'd die doing it.

What you're not understanding is the flexibility and creativity of pirates. That is what puts them over ninjas. Ninjas only have one way of doing things, and if it doesn't work, they kill themselves. Pirates, on the other hand, have no problems using unorthodox techniques, or political pressure to get what they want in the end.


I already posted this but it stumps you completely illogical argument again.

Actually Ninjas are trained to have instant quick problem solving so that they can find a way to get their mission done given any situation. They are trained to find a way to counter any attack/weapon (problem solving), find a ways to hide anywhere (problem solving), find ways to spy anywhere (problem solving), instantly change plans when something goes wrong/different (problem solving), find ways to trick anybody (problem solving), and quickly lie there way out of things (problem solving). Everything doesn't have to go as planned for a Ninja they can quickly change it given any situation.

Ninjas killing themselves when they fail is deserved most of the time because they have so many assests and skills that they should never fail, and failing is pretty rare.

Ninjas have way more skills in doing unorthodox techniques and they don't have a problem with it either, because they do what ever to complete the mission. The can easily apply political pressure (a 10000000x easier than a pirate could)  by controling the government with black mail ( a pirate could but not as easy as a ninja could), taking hostages, breaking into government property, etc.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Doorszeppelinwho on July 30, 2007, 11:35:56 pm
Ninjas really don't have any honor, they'll come up behind you and stab you in the heart. While pirates fight more honorably(not a lot more honorably but more) they'll fight you and who ever wins is based on there swordsmen ship. And even if they don't that they still let you walk the plank, which at least you arnt surprised when it happens.
Are you kidding me, pirates are criminals they have way less honor. A whole ninja's training is based on honor, they kill from behind to avoid unecessary killing and thats also what there suppose to do, its stealth, its alot smarter than running up to the person and getting caught, which their job requires them to avoid.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on July 31, 2007, 07:59:10 am
Ok, about salaries. Let me point out a few things. Pirates would spend half of their salary on some form of alcoholic beverage. Also, they can't be paid if they die in the middle of a battle/ pointless mutiny. Plus, the money they acquire has to go to managing the ship and making sure they have more alcohol then they already had.
Ninja don't need to spend all of their money on useless crap that'll make them braindead, so they save a lot more money.
The term 'ninja' is a Japanese word for the Chinese term 'hashassin', the root of our 'assassin'. Hashassins were called this because they were killers, and traditionally they would spend all or a large amount of their money on hash, a drug that is not unlike crack ****.

Also, pirates work on their ship, not live there. Just because they leave their real home to go on a voyage doesn't mean that they now have to 'pay the rent' on the ship. The captain has to pay to manage the ship; he pays the salaries of the pirates. The pirates, therefore, need to take care of the ship, and make money for it. Ninjas, on the other hand, don't necessarily have this set-up, and have to take a cut out of their salary to pay the utilities.

On the topic of pointless battles. These battles were what the pirates got their pay for. If they found and fought another ship, the captain could make the decision to fight for salvage. This means that they purposely try to not destroy the ship, just kill the occupants so it can be looted. Afterwards, if the captured ship is currently at war, it can be towed to whatever side it is not on and be traded in for ransom. This is not a pointless endeavor, because each one of the pirates gets his own share, while the captain gets first pick. It's not much, but large amounts of money have been given to ships for treasure discovered, thus making for large dividends for each crewman. The fact that they can risk their life to make money shows a tendency to live on the edge, which makes up the large portion of the glamor that people see in them.



Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on July 31, 2007, 02:10:27 pm
Also, pirates work on their ship, not live there. Just because they leave their real home to go on a voyage doesn't mean that they now have to 'pay the rent' on the ship. The captain has to pay to manage the ship; he pays the salaries of the pirates. The pirates, therefore, need to take care of the ship, and make money for it.
In the midst of battles, the ship, AS WELL AS your body would be damaged, so not only would you need to pay expenses for fixing the ship, but also pay medical expenses. Also, while on the ship, everyone needs to get food and such like I said before. And yes, for a period of time, usually long, they need to live on a ship. It isn't something where you suddenly say, "Okay, I guess we'll go home now!" and poof you're there, it's more like, "Alright, we've been traveling for a few months, time to take a few more months to get back home!"


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Petroid on July 31, 2007, 06:04:10 pm
DO WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE, YOU ARE A PIRATE.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on July 31, 2007, 08:10:42 pm
Page 3 Peter.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on July 31, 2007, 08:24:19 pm
In the midst of battles, the ship, AS WELL AS your body would be damaged, so not only would you need to pay expenses for fixing the ship, but also pay medical expenses. Also, while on the ship, everyone needs to get food and such like I said before. And yes, for a period of time, usually long, they need to live on a ship. It isn't something where you suddenly say, "Okay, I guess we'll go home now!" and poof you're there, it's more like, "Alright, we've been traveling for a few months, time to take a few more months to get back home!"
Did you even read what I wrote? >.<

The captain has to maintain the ship. They make much more money because of this. The pirates on board don't give a damn about the boat, just the bounty they collect. They can spend months at sea, yes. I don't see your point. They live on the ship until food runs out. And also, pirate ships spend most time just out of sight of land, because it is easiest to bring back salvages. They can get back in a matter of hours.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on August 02, 2007, 03:56:33 pm
Did you even read what I wrote? >.<
... kinda...

Just to bring up another point, Ninja don't have to wear all black clothes (Solmu would know this). The stereotypical black clothing came from kabuki theatre; the people who moved the puppets around wore all black, making them invisible in the background. Also, as to help reinforce this point, if you ever see a ninja, it's not a ninja.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on August 03, 2007, 02:27:35 am
http://www.piratelaws.com/

Arrr...don't ye read rule 70.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: ArkofCovenant on August 07, 2007, 10:47:38 am
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFLR FOORLFORLFORLFL RO F  OMGIMONFIRE

that was hilarious. I like rule 21

SOLMU: Don't spam. I'm failing you for this.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: kEnDrA_wAs_HeRe on September 01, 2007, 10:46:29 pm
Well, I have no clue what's being said in here, but i'm just going with Ninja's, because i'm tired of Pirates. >.<
Lol. Too much pirate's of the carribean stuff.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: ArkofCovenant on September 03, 2007, 12:29:33 pm
hey have u guys seen the "ask-a-ninja" movie pitch episode? its freakin hilarious. a pirate and a ninja team up? what????
link-awesoemness:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XelP8bHS-Yg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XelP8bHS-Yg)

I just though i would post this as it seemed relevant to the conversation and is quite funny


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on November 08, 2007, 11:29:41 pm
Its new, its sweet, its here! The new "You are a Pirate" video!

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/darkstar123456/Pirate1.swf

Lol, i want to crotch-dig.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on November 10, 2007, 07:55:20 pm
Wasn't there some rule put in place against flash/ movies that you can't control the volume and such on?
Hmmm...

Anyway. What I was going to say was:  :-\


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on November 10, 2007, 10:15:53 pm
Right click it and press Play. Get with the times man...


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Hermit Solmu on November 11, 2007, 09:02:55 am
Wasn't there some rule put in place against flash/ movies that you can't control the volume and such on?
Hmmm...

Anyway. What I was going to say was:  :-\
That's just for sigs.

:D


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: BlazingWyvern on November 11, 2007, 10:12:01 am
Zro: I know how to do that, I had just been wondering.
Sol: Alright, thanks for letting me know without ending up insulting me  :)

And once more, I shall say to that video:  :-\
For anyone who's on Facebook, there is a Ninjas vs. Pirates App that totals up all Ninjas and Pirates, and also now has a fighting feature. Let me just find the results here:
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x313/BlazingWyvern/NinjasvPirates11-11-07.jpg)
(As of 11/11/07 at approximately 10:10 AM, Central Time)


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Zro on November 12, 2007, 12:14:18 am
Ninjas appently spend to much time on Facebook, pirates on the other hand are getting booty and wenches (those two are not the same).

Pic unrelated.


Title: Re: Ninjas or Pirates?
Post by: Proudane122 on November 15, 2007, 09:41:36 am
um yeah u guys hav to be friggigin kiddin me. this is no contest...




a ninja would totally just go into hyperspeed and use his ninja mind powers to chop the pirate--who, by the way, WOULD BE DRUNK--into a billion tiny pieces, and take his rum and grog and whatever the hell he might have.